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Edmonton to win: 86% Los Angeles to win: 14% 14 entries          View all picks   Leaderboard

#firebob #screwitjustselltheteam #ownerisacreep

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

McDAVID! Oh YEAH Baby!!
Tic-Tac-Tao!
Keep on Rockin' in the Free World
P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,

well, I didn't predict THAT score.

...this time, it's for real (isn't it?).

#firebob #screwitjustselltheteam #ownerisacreep

Iamheretoday wrote on Sun, 28 April 2024 23:12

That should make the rest of the league take notice. That was a defensive effort like I have not seen from this team.

Bit of a fire drill on many occasions.

Got er done though.

#firebob #screwitjustselltheteam #ownerisacreep

Iamheretoday wrote on Sun, 28 April 2024 23:12

That should make the rest of the league take notice. That was a defensive effort like I have not seen from this team.

Hehe. I think part of it was LA kinds blows. They were mishandling pucks and messing up their chances, even with them being on the attack most of the game. I think we get destroyed playing like this against a good offensive team.

Oh well though. We are playing LA and who knows if we would play so low energy against a team that actually has a high talent level. We like to play based on the competition.

[Updated on: Sun, 28 April 2024 23:19]

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

Clean house or bust

#firebob #screwitjustselltheteam #ownerisacreep

#firebob #screwitjustselltheteam #ownerisacreep

[Updated on: Sun, 28 April 2024 23:25]

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

If opportunity doesn't knock, build a door.

Hot damn



Ceci was one of the D that was in just pure panic mode from start to finish. Desharnais took over the key defensive responsibilities on the right and did well.

[Updated on: Sun, 28 April 2024 23:47]

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

[Updated on: Sun, 28 April 2024 23:50]

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
#FireLowe #FireBobbyNicks #FireKenHolland #FireKeithGretzky

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 29 April 2024 08:49

Kr55 wrote on Sun, 28 April 2024 23:42 Hot damn Ceci was one of the D that was in just pure panic mode from start to finish. Desharnais took over the key defensive responsibilities on the right and did well. Not sure where you got that stat from but does that stat single out quality shot attempts vs just any shot attempt? In my opinion, while in a perfect world, your defense is so good, the other team doesn't even cross the blueline. But in reality, the job of the Dman is to make it so the opposition doesn't get uncontested shots from great scoring spots. So if the Kings are driving the zone and Nurse - Ceci defend it so the Kings can barely get over the blueline and all he can do (which the Kings players were doing) is fling the puck on goal from distance with no screen, that would count as a shot attempt against. Or I saw Nurse - Ceci pairing keeping the Kings player against the boards, not allowing much inside and the King player as they were going into the corner would fling the puck on Skinner which he would scoop up for an easy save. That's a shot attempt against. So I am just asking if that stat indicates quality shots against vs just a shot because there is a big difference. If a dman gives the forward nothing but long range/ no scoring angle, no chance of scoring shot all game, he's done his job. But if you dislike Nurse - Ceci, a person will ignore that stat and just focus on shot against. I also believe that the Leon line with Nurse and Ceci were typically up against the the Kopitar line who seemed to be the only liine that was actually trying to score most shifts. McD's line who I think Ekholm - Bouch play with mostly, had the Danault line who in my opinion seemed pretty focused on just stopping McD.

The matchups were actually the opposite of that. Bouch and Ek were mostly against kopitars line and gave up 1 high danger chance. Ceci and Nurse gave up 8 high danger chances against the Danault line.

I'm not sure what the spotlogiq data excludes to reduce LA's high danger chances from 14 (based just on shot location/timing data), to 4, but just going by shot locations, the nurse/Ceci pair was on for 11 out of LA's 14 high danger shot attempts.

To me this matches the eye test, because I felt Ceci was kind of alone as a D that was lost in our end most of the night. Most of our D looked like wizards shutting down plays, but Ceci really didnt. I know I am not the biggest Ceci fan :)

We survived though. I still would not expect our game plan last night to cut it against a team like the Avs or Vegas, or even the Canucks. but It was good enough against LA. The ice was total trash too, which worked to our advantage favoring defense.

[Updated on: Mon, 29 April 2024 08:58]

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 29 April 2024 10:14

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 29 April 2024 08:55 RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 29 April 2024 08:49 Kr55 wrote on Sun, 28 April 2024 23:42 Hot damn Ceci was one of the D that was in just pure panic mode from start to finish. Desharnais took over the key defensive responsibilities on the right and did well. Not sure where you got that stat from but does that stat single out quality shot attempts vs just any shot attempt? In my opinion, while in a perfect world, your defense is so good, the other team doesn't even cross the blueline. But in reality, the job of the Dman is to make it so the opposition doesn't get uncontested shots from great scoring spots. So if the Kings are driving the zone and Nurse - Ceci defend it so the Kings can barely get over the blueline and all he can do (which the Kings players were doing) is fling the puck on goal from distance with no screen, that would count as a shot attempt against. Or I saw Nurse - Ceci pairing keeping the Kings player against the boards, not allowing much inside and the King player as they were going into the corner would fling the puck on Skinner which he would scoop up for an easy save. That's a shot attempt against. So I am just asking if that stat indicates quality shots against vs just a shot because there is a big difference. If a dman gives the forward nothing but long range/ no scoring angle, no chance of scoring shot all game, he's done his job. But if you dislike Nurse - Ceci, a person will ignore that stat and just focus on shot against. I also believe that the Leon line with Nurse and Ceci were typically up against the the Kopitar line who seemed to be the only liine that was actually trying to score most shifts. McD's line who I think Ekholm - Bouch play with mostly, had the Danault line who in my opinion seemed pretty focused on just stopping McD. The matchups were actually the opposite of that. Bouch and Ek were mostly against kopitars line and gave up 1 high danger chance. Ceci and Nurse gave up 8 high danger chances against the Danault line. I'm not sure what the spotlogiq data excludes to reduce LA's high danger chances from 14 (based just on shot location/timing data), to 4, but just going by shot locations, the nurse/Ceci pair was on for 11 out of LA's 14 high danger shot attempts. To me this matches the eye test, because I felt Ceci was kind of alone as a D that was lost in our end most of the night. Most of our D looked like wizards shutting down plays, but Ceci really didnt. I know I am not the biggest Ceci fan :) We survived though. I still would not expect our game plan last night to cut it against a team like the Avs or Vegas, or even the Canucks. but It was good enough against LA. The ice was total trash too, which worked to our advantage favoring defense. Your comment at the end of your 3rd paragraph in my opinion will skew someone's perception of the game. You don't like Ceci so unless he plays perfect, you will find fault in his game. Which isn't meant as a shot. Most people have players they don't care for on their teams. When I watched the game, the Kings didn't get a lot of quality looks even when Ceci was on the ice.

Your Ceci comment history suggests biased viewing as well :)

So, maybe stats can fill the gap.

The real test comes in the next rounds in any case. LA are just a warmup round for these playoffs.

[Updated on: Mon, 29 April 2024 10:24]

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 29 April 2024 10:30

Mike wrote on Mon, 29 April 2024 09:22 RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 29 April 2024 11:51 How are some who were worried about Skinner after game 2 feeling now? A poster in here said after his 14 career playoff games, he was almost the worst playoff goalie in the NHL since the early 2000's. After the 2 games in LA where he gave up 1 goal, 2.48 and .919. So that's good right? I stated a fact. The fact has now changed slightly - he was worst in both save % and GAA on the cap era. On the strength of the last 2 games he has now moved ahead of Kari Lehtonen for the 2nd worst save % i(still last for GAA). No spin - just facts. Don't let them hurt your feelings too much. Let me remind you that I am the founding member of the Skinner booster club here. Nobody wants to see him succeed more than me. But he sucked for the most part in the playoffs last year, and he wasn't great the first 2 games here. And I don't want the team (and certain "fans") to get stuck in this mindset that the starter's role is set for the playoffs regardless of performance, as it obviously was last year. As for this game - Skinner maybe didn't need to be prime Hasek last night, but he was solid. Made all the stops we expect him to make, plus a few very good ones. Certainly has looked better the last 2 games. Let's hope he keep it up. Another 15 game win streak would be perfect. We can agree to disagree if you like but I think basing your opinion on if a goalie can or can't do it in the playoffs when at the time of your post, he only had 14 career playoffs games ever and 12 of them were from his first year as an NHL start, in my opinion is kind of short sighted. 1 year in the playoffs isn't a ton of experience in my opinion. So I felt he deserved the benefit of the doubt longer than 2 games this year before throwing up the red flag of having a problem. He played extremely well in the next 2 games. Does that mean he's going to win the Conn Smyth? No but it indicates to me, he has the ability to play very well in the playoffs. The big thing now is he needs to show he can keep doing it. We shall see.

Can't go crazy giving a final say on what players are or will do with our play against LA. This should be the 3rd time we outclass this team. We had adjustment issues each time we faced them, but in the end, we beat them pretty convincingly each time when we actually played like we can, and hopefully we do it again in game 5.

Where all our team issues come up and where we see if we fixed them come later against the really good playoff teams. No luck coming like we had in 2006. It looks likely we will have to play 3 very very good teams this year for a chance to win it all. Likely round 2, a team that owned us in the regular season. Round 3, one of 2 teams that beat us and really picked us apart and exposed our weaknesses last 2 playoffs, then went on to win a cup. Don't even want to think about finals lol.

[Updated on: Mon, 29 April 2024 10:49]

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

[Updated on: Mon, 29 April 2024 11:08]

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000